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PostSubject: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:08 am

Communism / socialism / capitalism - comparison


Communism / socialism / capitalism - comparison
Communism / socialism / capitalism - comparison

Do slovenčiny to nedávam, lebo my vieme, čo to všetko je, ale oni nie :-)

Communism (and socialism) will never work. There should be some government regulation to make sure that no company or corporation has too much control over an industry, but not to the extent that the government controls everything. The government shouldn't be telling you what you should or shouldn't be doing (again to an extent). I believe in limited censorship, meaning that there is censorship, but little of it. Meaning that if you want to say that the government sucks...you can do so. If you run a TV show, you can do whatever you want on it, as long as a viewer is informed on the content.

As for communism there are even more reasons why it doesn't work.

Number one, there is no incentive to work. Since everybody are equal, and everybody earns the same amount of money, what incentive is there to work? If you can earn the same amount as a doctor, as truck driving...is there really a reason to go to college and get a degree when you can earn the same dropping out of high school and truck driving?

We can see it also in erepublic. If doesn't matter how good worker I am (because I have noting from my work, just commune has benefit) I can easily forget to work, or ask for food (wellness will go down then). Why should I try to find the best economy possibilities at the world for running my own profitable business, if all this would do somebody in commune. I can read just forum or news instead of finding better economical solutions, and let others to make business instead of me (so in communism must be very little good businessman). Why should I work harder to get house ??? My wellness is not my problem, it is problem of commune, so I do not need house... if commune need my wellness high they would give me one :-D. If there is a bad businessman, who is making lose, how can I tell him true ?? I can complain on him just in forum, because there is not competition and I am not able to show him how can run business a good manager - comparison - competition which is common in capitalism.

Number two.
Complete government control never works, just look at what happened to Berlin. They had to build a wall to keep people in, and many people risked their lives to get to capitalism and out of communism. On the contrary, the United States government has to build a wall to keep people out, coming here because of democracy and capitalism. It really tells you that people tend to prefer capitalism and the ability to earn money over communism and government control.

A current day comparison of the Berlin example is North Korea. Not only is North Korea communist, but it is controlled by a luny psychopath (IMHO). The North Koreans are branwashed to believe word for word everything that the leader says, and worship him like a God. There is a certian way that you have to take a photo of "The Great Leader" and he can do nothing wrong. Homes of North Koreans have no family pictures, but pictures of Kim Jung Ill and his father. The North Koreans have no Internet, and all the TV stations are controlled by the government, so the government can manipulate the news and tell the residents whatever they want them to hear. Border crossings are similar to the Berlin wall, consisting of electric fences and minefields. The few places where you can cross safely are guarded by north Korean forces who are instructed to shoot anybody trying to cross, even fellow guards. The few people that do escape get their family (including extended family) killed.

now look again into erepublic.com
Why the Slovakian communist are here ? Why they are not reallife Slovaks?? Because nobody at the erep world want communism. Nobody like them so they must emigrate from their motherland and find little country, which they can takeover for their mad purposes and ideas.
Why Russia, mother of communism have mainly capitalism in erepublik.com ?? :-D Why every not communist party is voting for capitalism, in spite of the fact, that these parties have political different purposes, they all vote against communism :-)





This is all my opinion so feel free to disagree with it, just provide an answer why you disagree.



And why I like more socialism then communism ??
Socialism and communism are ideological doctrines that have many similarities as well as many differences. It is difficult to discern the true differences between socialism and communism, as various societies have tried different types of both systems in myriad forms, and many ideologues with different agendas have defined both systems in biased terms. Some main differences, however, can still be identified.

One difference between socialism and communism is that socialism is mainly an economic system, while communism is both an economic and a political system. As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Both socialism and communism are similar in that they seek to prevent the ill effects that are sometimes produced by capitalism.

Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly and controlled and planned by a centralized organization. However, socialism asserts that the distribution should take place according to the amount of individuals' production efforts, while communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.

Another difference between socialism and communism is that communists assert that both capitalism and private ownership of means of production must be done away with as soon as possible in order to make sure a classless society, the communist ideal, is formed. Socialists, however, see capitalism as a possible part of the ideal state and believe that socialism can exist in a capitalist society. In fact, one of the ideas of socialism is that everyone within the society will benefit from capitalism as much as possible as long as the capitalism is controlled somehow by a centralized planning system.

Finally, another difference between socialism and communism is centered on who controls the structure of economy. Where socialism generally aims to have as many people as possible influence how the economy works, communism seeks to concentrate that number into a smaller amount.





Capitalism is not the best system at the world, but nobody think out something better than capitalism !!




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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:30 pm

OK, poslali sme adminom zoznam multakov a oni ze to je v pohode....

a za tento clanok mam zase FP.....

už ma to nebaví,, napisal som open list zase, lebo furt adminov komanči využívajú.... ak môžte zareagujete, aby som nedostal total ban :-D dík


dik


http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/119744/help-eslovakia/4
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:31 pm

rumpil wrote:
OK, poslali sme adminom zoznam multakov a oni ze to je v pohode....

a za tento clanok mam zase FP.....

už ma to nebaví,, napisal som open list zase, lebo furt adminov komanči využívajú.... ak môžte zareagujete, aby som nedostal total ban :-D dík


dik

Cheating in communists commune is ok by admins,, but my articles is for ban always... errrrr :-(

http://www.erepublik.com/en/forum/topic/119744/help-eslovakia/4
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:10 pm

KILL THE COMMINISTS
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:06 am

If some czech want to go to slovakia and help us voting against communists, I will give you citizenship (I have 16passes and all congressman have each 16 passes - it should be bug, but admin want fix it :-( )

So, we have 40*16=640 pases everybody this month
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:36 am

^^rumpi

Good post
But you are making statements from quite general overview...

rumpil wrote:
Communism / socialism / capitalism - comparison


Communism / socialism / capitalism - comparison
Communism / socialism / capitalism - comparison

Do slovenčiny to nedávam, lebo my vieme, čo to všetko je, ale oni nie :-)

Communism (and socialism) will never work. There should be some government regulation to make sure that no company or corporation has too much control over an industry, but not to the extent that the government controls everything. The government shouldn't be telling you what you should or shouldn't be doing (again to an extent). I believe in limited censorship, meaning that there is censorship, but little of it. Meaning that if you want to say that the government sucks...you can do so. If you run a TV show, you can do whatever you want on it, as long as a viewer is informed on the content.


Here you mentioned some preety interesting stuffs.
You see, in capitalism, freedom of media is vast, but too few people know that capitalist media are much stronger affected by politic and by private interests of powerfull capitalist complexes.
Here I am saying that capitalist media are literally propagandas of false overview what is actually happening in world. And I, believe me, know preety much what is actual in world by highly avoiding brainwashing ˝mainstream media˝ - because all of those are used for capitalist purposes, and as much as capitalism is advanced social implementational system, in much higher way capitalism is wild and ruthless, anti-human system that communism.

Acual problem with your understanding of communism itself lies in it that you are making cnclusions by historical happenings, not on real communist ideas, and to tell the truth, none communist implementation in world until today didnt worked perfectly. Most of them were terrible. But primal form of ideal social concern cannot be achieved in capitalism. But also not communism, but I claim that, with communism, we can advance much more than we do inside capitalism.


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As for communism there are even more reasons why it doesn't work.

Number one, there is no incentive to work. Since everybody are equal, and everybody earns the same amount of money, what incentive is there to work? If you can earn the same amount as a doctor, as truck driving...is there really a reason to go to college and get a degree when you can earn the same dropping out of high school and truck driving?


This is preety unstated claim...
Payments wary about field of worker activity & specialization of worker and there can be made perfect ˝equilibrium˝.


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We can see it also in erepublic. If doesn't matter how good worker I am (because I have noting from my work, just commune has benefit) I can easily forget to work, or ask for food (wellness will go down then). Why should I try to find the best economy possibilities at the world for running my own profitable business, if all this would do somebody in commune. I can read just forum or news instead of finding better economical solutions, and let others to make business instead of me (so in communism must be very little good businessman). Why should I work harder to get house ??? My wellness is not my problem, it is problem of commune, so I do not need house... if commune need my wellness high they would give me one :-D. If there is a bad businessman, who is making lose, how can I tell him true ?? I can complain on him just in forum, because there is not competition and I am not able to show him how can run business a good manager - comparison - competition which is common in capitalism.

Yup, main concern inside communism and also capitalism is money... That old stuff which replace everything and with it you can have everything.
But no, I dont know how communism inside Slovakia works, but making everyone equal in this game is absurd. But we can implement rules that can be followed, like worker productivity, or skill alone, but productivity points are much precise. Due to production points, we can regulate workers payments.

But tell me one thing, how big payments get people in South America who are mainly controlled by giant capitalism complexes like United Fruit? Tell me how big payment gets children in Thailand, Vietnam, Kamboda who works in Adidas, Nike ect? People in Africa, whoose natural resources are in most inhuman way taken away from them by ˝free market˝ laws - literally exploiting country!?
Do you really believe everything in world is perfect where capitalism strepped into? Do some research, get a real picture what is happening in all over the world.

I also say, what you get for a picture of communism in world is NOT a real picture. But I am not trying to defend communism at all. I am just saying that communism is one of the most humanly systems that can be implemented in society, and that by communism we can achieve much more and develop much faster, reject old social wages like money, create society that is not oriented into private property or individual possesions, and no, not giving it to state


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Number two.
Complete government control never works, just look at what happened to Berlin. They had to build a wall to keep people in, and many people risked their lives to get to capitalism and out of communism. On the contrary, the United States government has to build a wall to keep people out, coming here because of democracy and capitalism. It really tells you that people tend to prefer capitalism and the ability to earn money over communism and government control.

A current day comparison of the Berlin example is North Korea. Not only is North Korea communist, but it is controlled by a luny psychopath (IMHO). The North Koreans are branwashed to believe word for word everything that the leader says, and worship him like a God. There is a certian way that you have to take a photo of "The Great Leader" and he can do nothing wrong. Homes of North Koreans have no family pictures, but pictures of Kim Jung Ill and his father. The North Koreans have no Internet, and all the TV stations are controlled by the government, so the government can manipulate the news and tell the residents whatever they want them to hear. Border crossings are similar to the Berlin wall, consisting of electric fences and minefields. The few places where you can cross safely are guarded by north Korean forces who are instructed to shoot anybody trying to cross, even fellow guards. The few people that do escape get their family (including extended family) killed.


And do you know what they do in capitalist Israel? I never supported regimes that are creating mass manipulation over nations, and believe me, it is also happening in capitalist world, but in much higher stance.

As Goethe said:
˝None Are So Enslaved as Those Who Falsely Believe They Are Free˝

Real picture about Berlin, is, of course, people are pretending to live in better enviroment, and that is why Soviet Union collapsed, but real interest was in kapitalist conglomerates, who are easily got control over masses and implemented their fraud. What is really happening inside EU now? European parlament is implementing their own laws inside one country, he forces countries to change their constitution, and in some point in future, there will no more be France, Germany, Spain, Poland ect, there will only be that giant: European Union which will lead politic of whole Europe. No more national sovegnity.


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now look again into erepublic.com
Why the Slovakian communist are here ? Why they are not reallife Slovaks?? Because nobody at the erep world want communism. Nobody like them so they must emigrate from their motherland and find little country, which they can takeover for their mad purposes and ideas.
Why Russia, mother of communism have mainly capitalism in erepublik.com ?? :-D Why every not communist party is voting for capitalism, in spite of the fact, that these parties have political different purposes, they all vote against communism :-)


Erepublik.com is designed to work on capitalist foundations. But through good organizational body, we can implement eCommunism without much problems, expecially in smaller states like Cz and Slovakia. There will be no concentrational camps, no mass manipulation and mass robbery if there stands really people who care about CZ citizens.
Also, tell me another side of that story: Why are payments of Slovakian and Cz peoples one of lowest in eWorld? Simply, because of capitalist company holders and job dealers who actually holds those low payments, and there is no regulations for them, only wild competition to pursue them to give higher wages.
Lots of things are rotten in Cz, and maybe can only be resolved by implementing a new system of market functioning.


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And why I like more socialism then communism ??
Socialism and communism are ideological doctrines that have many similarities as well as many differences. It is difficult to discern the true differences between socialism and communism, as various societies have tried different types of both systems in myriad forms, and many ideologues with different agendas have defined both systems in biased terms. Some main differences, however, can still be identified.

One difference between socialism and communism is that socialism is mainly an economic system, while communism is both an economic and a political system. As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Both socialism and communism are similar in that they seek to prevent the ill effects that are sometimes produced by capitalism.

Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly and controlled and planned by a centralized organization. However, socialism asserts that the distribution should take place according to the amount of individuals' production efforts, while communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.

Another difference between socialism and communism is that communists assert that both capitalism and private ownership of means of production must be done away with as soon as possible in order to make sure a classless society, the communist ideal, is formed. Socialists, however, see capitalism as a possible part of the ideal state and believe that socialism can exist in a capitalist society. In fact, one of the ideas of socialism is that everyone within the society will benefit from capitalism as much as possible as long as the capitalism is controlled somehow by a centralized planning system.

Finally, another difference between socialism and communism is centered on who controls the structure of economy. Where socialism generally aims to have as many people as possible influence how the economy works, communism seeks to concentrate that number into a smaller amount.



This is too long to be discussed, but you have point in it. Very Happy

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Capitalism is not the best system at the world, but nobody think out something better than capitalism !!


Believe me, we do.
Plenty of people understands how peoples in world are sustainded into one giant naive bubble, free only in their heads, while every day 35 000 childred die from hunger and deseases, which can be completelly prevented. While every day innocent victims are killed due to some public mind control an manipulation, like attack on 9/11, and fictional hunt of Osama Bin Laden. Look a little at statistics: 1 200 000 Iraq innocent peoples killed in hunt for ONE MAN, who is now actually runing from Afganistan into Pakistan. I dunno how people can be so naive to swallow this bullsh*t. It is of a massive significance that Americans are started with creating military bases in Asia, streching from Israel, Syria, Iraq, Afganistan, and in near future, there will be invasions on Iran and Pakistan. Only thing they needed is to make sacrifice: Bush administration controlled attacks at 9/11 and murder of 3000 innocent Americans, just to pass Patriot acts, and lots of other laws that turns USA into police state. USA is now transforming into fascist police state!. Millions more dead people only to prevent launching weapons of masss destruction on ˝FREE WORLD˝. But no one actually asked, do those peoples from caves really have nuclear bombs? Today it is observed, that Iran cannot make nuclear warhead in next 8years. Lots od coincidences to role on.

Mass deception through free market.
But to make same statements also about communism, it is also happening over there. To tell you the truth, Chinese and North Korean communist regime is only a test of evil eugenics, to find out what is the best way of creating mass deception, mass manipulation of public thinking, just to speed up depopulation of humans on Earth. It is also happened in Nazi Germany. Just another test...

In conclusion, none system today is ˝best˝, as long as people actually falsely believe they are free, while milions of people die beause games in that same system. Number of people who really know every aspect of what is going on realises and knows what is best for people. And it is deffinetly not present stance.

Whoever wants to talk more about all of this, plz contact me in game. You will be suprised what you can discover, and see mass fraud in every aspect of society today.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:38 pm

we can have a long discussion here... but my fault that i have less time now :-( so... maybe later :-)

thx for response
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:03 pm

rumpil wrote:
we can have a long discussion here... but my fault that i have less time now :-( so... maybe later :-)

thx for response

Well, you wrote that so long post, so you asked for it Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:17 pm

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Number one, there is no incentive to work. Since everybody are equal, and everybody earns the same amount of money, what incentive is there to work? If you can earn the same amount as a doctor, as truck driving...is there really a reason to go to college and get a degree when you can earn the same dropping out of high school and truck driving?



Under Communism people don't have to earn the same amount of money.Look at Cuba people don't earn the same amount there.Why should a Doctor who went to College be paid the same as a Shop Assistant.They shouldn't.In many Communist countries people do get the same but a country does'nt have to pay everybody the same for people to be equale as long as the gap between rich and poor isn't large

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Number two.
Complete government control never works, just look at what happened to Berlin. They had to build a wall to keep people in, and many people risked their lives to get to capitalism and out of communism. On the contrary, the United States government has to build a wall to keep people out, coming here because of democracy and capitalism. It really tells you that people tend to prefer capitalism and the ability to earn money over communism and government control.

Communism isn't supposed to be oppresive.Unfortunatly because Stalin came to power(Communists today hate Stalin)people seem to think that Communism is oppresive.If you look the U.S isn't the shining beacon of libery that it pretends to be e.g Not giving blacks equal rights,Fining citizens if they visit Cuba etc
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:03 pm

hi Garvey... You find me even here ? :-D :-D
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:41 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO:D
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:30 pm

garvey no chance to destroy czech republic by your "ideas", I am protector of czech too against communism :-D :-D
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:33 pm

but then who will protect Czech Republic from you.I'm not coming with Mr.Skin.I'm coming here on my own
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:26 pm

Mr. Skin and Sandra is one of better communists, so this is funny :-D
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:43 am

Ruaidhri Garvey wrote:
but then who will protect Czech Republic from you.I'm not coming with Mr.Skin.I'm coming here on my own

Well well well, who is here ? Mr. Garvey himself. You were kicked out of SCP presidency so you are trying to smuggle yourself here? Do not worry, daddy's here. :-) I take care of you.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:48 pm

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Well well well, who is here ? Mr. Garvey himself. You were kicked out of SCP presidency so you are trying to smuggle yourself here? Do not worry, daddy's here. :-) I take care of you.

I wasn't kicked out of the SSP(NOT SCP ANYMORE).We had an internal election as we always do to decide next party president and Sandra Mack beat me by two votes.I'm here temporarily.I'll be back in Slvakia for elections but then I hope to move here permanently
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:59 pm

Internal election: you mean Sandra and Skin were voting who is going to run? Result: 2:0 for Sandra. :-) So yes, you lost just by 2 votes only. :-)
And changing the name means nothing - Paulie Walnuts is Mannimarco the same way as SSP is still SCP. Put a lipstick on a pig... it's still a pig.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:07 am

And czechs do not know, but one of your communist member STEAL EVERYTHING AT ONE OF YOUR COMMUNE, cca 90 or 130 or 150 gold.

Funny :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:35 am

I'm not Mannimarco's Keeper.He hasd a disagreement with Mister Skin and stole our commune.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:44 pm

I smell pig disgusting Capitalism

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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:08 am

Communism woot
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:12 am

Communism woot x2
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:12 pm



I smell commies.
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:02 am

Gentlemen, please... we are united resistance force - what was before is not what is now. We must concentrate on our country now...
and please, do not make communism in such stupid pictures - they are true commune ideologists, not stalinists or something that take everything from people and giving only pain...

By the way, I can't understand - he had an argue with you and took WHOLE ALL EVERYTHING?!
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PostSubject: Re: Communism / socialism / capitalism   Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:22 pm

Rumpil, your problem is easy to see:

- You are always and only speaking about "in comunism I don't need to, I can't do this, I'm not promoted to, etc...", while Comunism is not I but WE.

Comunism is a Social movement, can't work if people just think about themselves. In the other hand, humans are a social race and can't live without others.

If a country applys a social economy in a good way it always works.

The only way to have 100% of population in a country and even in the world with proper food, education, health and even human rights covered it's socialism. Why? Simple, becouse for Capitalism to work you need slaves or, in an easiest way to say, cheap workers.

If there are no poverty there is no rich.
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